Question:
COLLEGE FAILURE IN science areas chemistry, biology, physics, earth science, astronomy, engineering etc IS VERY HIGH. ANY REASONS WHY?
yolanda
2016-08-19 08:54:48 UTC
on average, only 15 percent of those that enroll in science or engineering program will finish. the failure rate is high. MANY SAY THE SUBJECT matter too hard. whats going on

failure is high too in health sciences
44 answers:
Kelli
2016-08-19 15:36:03 UTC
Unreal expectations. From the time children can talk, we ask "What do you want to be when you grow up?" Firefighters, ballerinas, football players. When teens need to start thinking of a career path, they also start thinking about salaries and what money can buy. Engineering, medicine, and other sciences can pay well, and we hear on the news that there aren't enough STEM majors, so this seems like a good path.

High schools don't always do a great job preparing students. Fail a test? You can re-take it. Miss an assignment because you need to go to a track meet? You can turn it in later. Sure--it's important for teens to succeed and graduate from HS, but in college the rules tend to be firm. Fail a test? Study harder next time. Miss an assignment? That is too bad.

So now, these young adults who have been good HS students and have not had to work too hard, are in college, majoring in engineering (or whatever) because it's a good job, and they take the math placement test and need to take college algebra instead of calc. This means before they can even qualify to take the math for their major they might need two years of pre-rec math. Maybe they find out they aren't very good at it--either making a decision to not continue or having the decision made for them through low math grades.

They decide they would rather be a communication or recreation major because it's more fun or easier. The US is still short on STEM majors, so we find them in India and China.
anonymous
2016-08-19 15:26:59 UTC
1 Some students aren't actually motivated to go to college and are only there because their parents forced them or it's a phase that they get over after they learn college isn't all about partying. Sometimes it gets too expensive. Life happens.



2 Some students have an egotistical mentality that makes them compare themselves to others. These students are more likely to quit when they feel intimidated by the material. They always have to feel like they are better than the next person and will quit or slander others before applying themselves to their school work. These fields tend to attract people with elitist attitudes/ insecure people. I personally had a partner in class that would give me nasty looks and ignore me because I "shouldn't have been able to understand the material better than he did." He ended up dropping out later on.



3 Some students just do not have the ability to comprehend the material and apply it. That could be because of genetics, environmental stress, or nutrition. These fields are mentally taxing. This isn't as easy to quantify or prove, however.



4 Schools might not be teaching the material in the best ways possible. That might explain why, but this is hard to prove. If there was a study that showed this was the case, I would cite it, but I think this is common sense to most people.
anonymous
2016-08-19 10:03:29 UTC
It's just hard for most people I know someone who wanted to be a doctor and was studying his *** off but he still wasn't doing as good as the other students that were naturally gifted in the math and science classes. Especially when it came to things that chemistry, physics and calculus he had a hard time. For some people they don't take the time to study and learn everything step-by-step and some people just can't grasp the material everyone's brain functions in different ways and sometimes I think more people have a problem with physics, some chemistry and other math subjects because of the math that's involved. I know personally for me I'm pretty good at science and biology I have to work harder at it than other subjects but I managed to do well but when it comes to things like general chemistry and biochemistry, physics it involves the math and it's hard for me to understand.



Oh yeah and about the guy who wanted to be a doctor needless to say by the time he got his bachelors he realize that he wasn't cut out to go to med school or anything of that nature he just wasn't that gifted in those particular subjects and he had to work extremely hard just to barely pass unfortunately he wasn't good enough so he chose a different career path and he's still happy.
Waltz49
2016-08-19 20:21:41 UTC
It is hard work. That is not a reason to avoid it. Work is, of course the reason to go to college.



I'll add one personal peeve that others might find bizarre, but I think many students are not prepared or do not know what science is because they are used to well meaning but childish Science Channel or Discovery Channel shows that have simple ideas and fancy graphics. If science shows showed just a little about how discoveries are made, how math is used, where the occasional formula fits in, we would all be better served and students would have realistic expectations (and lots of the science denial so prevalent today would be put in better perspective; bad science could be identified as such by people who know why it is bad, sound science could be accepted without controversy).
Tracy
2016-08-19 12:38:07 UTC
First let me say that I doubt your 15% number is accurate. I am an engineering graduate and although some students dropped out is was not even close to that number. In fact maybe the opposite - 15% drop out, not 15% graduate.



Second - for those that did drop out it was because they either weren't willing to put in the work (colleges will tell you that STEM students will spend twice as much time on homework/studying than none STEM majors) or maybe they really aren't intelligent enough.
Mamawidsom
2016-08-19 12:30:04 UTC
The subject matter isn't too hard. They students are simply not good enough. Many, many teenagers going off to college think they want to be doctors, scientists, and engineers, but soon discover that they do not have the academic ability to fulfill the requirements of the job.



I don't know about you, but I really wouldn't want to see the standards for doctors or engineers decreased. I'd hate to see people die from malpractice or collapsed buildings or crashed airplanes just so more kids to graduate with those degrees.
?
2016-08-22 14:04:37 UTC
I think there is a greater standard for people in these majors. Not to piss off liberal arts students but we are demanded of a greater expectation. While I stand by being treated as an adult and not being treated as a kid like you are in high school in things like handing in assignments and tests, liberal art majors seem to have a similar treatment. Definitely not as easy but there's some unsaid enforcement standard that each science and math professor holds to its students, especially those within the major. It is more important that we are precise, exact and understand the true concept fully and entirely. These concepts are exceptionally difficult and complex and many cannot handle it, sometimes I can't. But its the passion and drive and the desire to have a good paying job likely more secure then that of a liberal art major.
anonymous
2016-08-19 09:52:07 UTC
The courses in STEM major classes heavily rely on the fundamentals. It's all cumulative. You can't make progress in Calculus if you don't understand basic Algebra. In other words, if you screw up your base (which is very likely, because the system is flawed, inb4anarchy) it will add up big time because you don't know some of the rules of the "game".



Furthermore, the classes are all very abstract. We don't see equations or atoms when we walk around the real world. It takes time and diligence to understand abstract things. In other words, most students simply don't put in the required time it takes to **really** understand a concept. However, some do put in the time, and still get no returns. This is because they are studying inefficiently, bad teachers, or maybe both and plus even more reasons.
anonymous
2016-08-20 09:58:23 UTC
Simple answer: one major problem today is that people are convinced that they must major in a field that will supposedly lead straight to a job, and so they do, even if they have no aptitude, no adequate preparation for that subject. 20 years ago, such people might have majored in something for which they DID have real interest and preparation, but now they re attempting to study subjects they don't even like because they fear that if they don't, they ll be unemployable.



It's utterly and entirely ludicrous. They are setting themselves up for failure, which means that they really WILL be unemployable. Would a math whiz who can barely string three words together in a sentence and who has no aptitude for complex, entirely verbally-based critical thought try to major in English? Of course not.
Ashwani
2016-08-20 04:11:37 UTC
All wants to achieve the goal as early as possible. There is other glamourous areas who have money, power, dignity and social status. No one wants to hard work as want to achieve as easy.They think, to study chemestry, biology, physics etc could not provide them the sufficiant charm or famous them, as compare to Cricketar or Footballer, Actor or politicians. That is why the college failure in science subjects.
?
2016-08-19 15:40:39 UTC
It's been some time since I've been anywhere near the ivory tower, however I didn't notice any mass exodus from the programs. My college degree is in geology and, in addition, I have a doctorate in physics and a doctorate in mathematics. I don't remember anyone leaving graduate school except for one incident of family problems. And, she returned later to finish her degree.
Doug Freyburger
2016-08-19 12:46:07 UTC
If you're at a college with a failure rate that high, you are likely in the wrong college.



1) Those courses are hard.

2) You may be at a night school college that has high drop out rates in all majors.
?
2016-08-24 05:52:19 UTC
Most people aren't properly prepared for the difficulty of STEM fields going into college. And because of that it requires a big time commitment combined with a good work ethic. So most get intimidated and change majors or drop out.
Not Really a Doctor
2016-08-19 15:54:16 UTC
Because the school system in this country is messed up, especially in the inner cities. Schools spend so much money painting over the graffiti and installing metal detectors there's no money left for the students. Good students gravitate towards parochial school or magnet schools, many so far away from they commute over an hour. Chicago just got a crippling tax increase mainly for the school system. It's probably going to end up in the pension fund for teachers who don't deserve it because they are total idiots.



It make me so sad to see teachers, on strike, interviewed on the news, speaking horrible English and acting as disrespectfully as the students do. My neighbor is a math professor who teaches math teachers how to teach math. He says it not much better from his angle, especially since they tried to change over to Common Core math.



Does anyone have any objection to opening up reform schools again? Juvenile jail for repeat offenders that are required to go to school but keep screwing it up for everyone else?
Kevin
2016-08-20 03:51:26 UTC
Reason 1. Pursuing engineering or science out of excitement without focusing on the strength and weakness.



Reason 2.Lack of Basic concepts.

Without Knowing What O and H stand for, it's impossible for a science student to know what h20 is.



Reason 3. Concentrating on irrelevant topics and lack of proper study strategy.





Reason4. Not realising that even though study is boring, one needs to put effort.



Reason 5. lack of Motivation to study.





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Noah
2016-08-19 19:18:36 UTC
15% drop out for a lot of reasons. When I first started to go to college I dropped out in the first year because i was missing too many meals....I enlisted in the Navy. I didn't go back to college until I was 32 years old....and don't call it failure....it's a new place to start!
?
2016-08-23 02:37:13 UTC
They are not..there are many thiudands doctor from my country went to other amd sua,so ,it is necessary to be..



The fact they don t learn and make sex or clubs is one of failures,being rich ..is also other aspect although alsi poor could follow eassier their tasks ,being gaps,if there is rivaltry cauaed by politics..

Othe case is the athenian congress of sua as if the usa vounts 500. People,each state only one person having.



I mean capitalism is an exploiting law ,and takes uncontrolled money from oeople who develop the state more and more the state being necessary to develop in some aspects and cease part of work for the right to private life,and lacks the money from production due to corruption emphasusing institution where the poverty is created by the lack of money by the owners who monopolized in different ways and became masters over middles of oriduction that creat money and right to employ people by themselves and in whole for them..
Linda R
2016-08-24 16:08:21 UTC
Why? Because today's college students are lazy and only want to take the 'easy' classes and then, after graduation, complain they can't get a job paying a decent salary.

MOST freshmen......drink, do drugs and have sex. DO NOT go down this path............be different.

FOCUS on the field you wish to go into and do NOT allow anything or anyone to deter you.
ibu guru
2016-08-19 09:21:12 UTC
Schools have been dumbed-down: curricula far less demanding, social promotion, political correctness (political indoctrination). The primary-secondary school system utterly fails to prepare most kids to work for their success, be creative, study hard, develop rigorous scientific thinking, and hone laboratory skills.



Very few teens have parents who properly raise & mentor their kids, either. Parents worry more about their child's "sensitivity," "self-esteem" (failing to develop any genuine sense of self-worth, then self-esteem), than about developing good study habits, desire for success, creativity, emotional resilience, etc.



So now there's a generation who are largely whining little idiots who are more concerned with their "anxiety," "depression," social standing, appearances, than developing their brains & other abilities. They are totally unprepared for college, adult lives, self-sufficiency, self-reliance, resilience, and more.
David N
2016-08-19 18:30:51 UTC
Woefully weak academic training in mathematics and the sciences in elementary, junior high school, and high school.



There is also the misconception through these years that "everything I need to know, I will learn at school."



GET RID OF THE CELL PHONES AND START READING BOOKS, PEOPLE!
?
2016-08-21 09:29:31 UTC
For physics, it seems to me that some people just naturally have a better understanding of how motion works. However, a person can still learn it by reading about what other people have learned about how motion works.
tro
2016-08-20 12:06:50 UTC
it is probably because the lower grades don't provide subjects that are a basis for the higher technologies

if lower grades only concentrate on basket weaving and social skills, no one ever accomplishes the basics they need for more technical

you don't find idiotic courses like this in any Asian school, they all learn good basics from the start and not pander those who can't make it
?
2016-08-19 08:57:08 UTC
High schools dont offer enough training. students in k-12 get too little exposure to science. this is the failure is so high
Jack
2016-08-20 00:34:54 UTC
Okay, I'll hit the failure in health sciences first.

I was near graduation, and I was sitting in the hallway with a bunch of my fellow students waiting for a class to open. I was taking "biological psychology" (I think the course had a different heading but that was the name of the text, and what everyone called it.) It was the study of human and animal nervous systems, sense organs, and cognitive processes, all the way from the synapse up to the whole organism. Wow! It was really fascinating! It was basically Which-part-of-the-brain-does-what and what-happens-when-something-goes-wrong. A lot of the functions are inferred from what is missing when a particular part of the brain is destroyed. A guy sitting next to me in the hall, also near graduation, was looking at a map of dermatomes and neural pathways, and talking to his classmate about neurotransmitters too. I asked him if he was taking another section of biological psychology, because I thought that there was only one. He answered that he was in anatomy and physiology. He seemed frustrated... He was in pre-med; he was going to be a doctor. He asked me why I was enrolled in my class, and I said that it was a matter of interest, actually I'm an art major. I asked him if he liked the science behind it. "No, not particularly." he said. I asked,"Well then you want to help people?" "No, not really."

"So, if you don't like people, and you're not into the science and research part of it, why are you going into this field?"

His reply made my heart sink (and I quote): "The extra eighty thousand a year I'm going to make is going to make me like it."

I felt that I was looking at a future unhappy, disdainful, error-prone doctor.

The medical field is lucrative enough that you'll have a bunch of people who are only in it for the money, and a lot of those are going to smash up against the requirements of the classes.

Concerning the sciences in general, one problem is that there are many people who will have trouble visualizing a lot of the concepts in their minds' eye.

My main objection to trigonometry and pre-cal was that it started off very jargon-heavy. There are a lot concepts that the teachers and T.A.s consider to be below the starting point. Most people seem to only want to memorize the formulas, and as long as they can plug in the numbers and it works, a lot of them don't really care How it works. I'd say, "wait a second, then what is the cosecant?" And they'd say, "Yeah, it's the reciprocal of the sine." by way of complete explanation, and smile, not realizing that I didn't get a visual understanding of what was going on. It wasn't until I pursued simple computer graphics that the unit circle suddenly snapped into focus. "Oh! It's just the Pythagorean theorem, It's just that the hypotenuse always equals one, so that means that an x or y coordinate can never be bigger than 1, and once you know one side, and that the hypotenuse is 1, then the other side comes easily. I was too literal and wanted to give answers like 0.8660254037 like it was an x-coordinate, or 1.5707963267.

I was uncomfortable giving symbols as answers to math problems.

Astronomy was a breeze because I already had so much interest and the new information plugged right into the old slots I already made. If one is really eager about the subject, one will read ahead, and the actual course material will seem like review, but if one is not interested and has trouble making any brain-space for it, it will be rough slogging. The biologies were easy enough for me that sometimes if I knew that I was going to be taking classes in my weakest areas (e.g. Poly-sci, Foreign Language) I would take another biology course to prop up my GPA.

Another problem is that the math helps the visualization and vice-versa.

Again, I guess I'm too literal, my thinking is too concrete, for me math has to describe something, acceleration, great, volume of a sphere, cool, compound interest, alright, vector addition, now we're talking! To me stats and something like standard deviation makes more sense, and is easier for me to comprehend than some concepts in plain old algebra. You have to admit that a lot of algebra is just number juggling without describing any phenomenon.

A lot of the concepts in physics are counter-intuitive, I believe that's because much of what is measured by our instrumentation goes against what our senses are telling us.

Take the inverse square law for example:

If a light bulb is shining through a square hole in the wall that is 10cm x 10cm (say one meter away from the bulb), a certain amount of light is going to go through that hole. If you have the light shine on a wall another meter behind the hole, the same amount of light has to cover a 20cm by 20 cm patch, it's spread out over four times the area, yet it only looks somewhat less than half as bright, at three times the distance, only one ninth the flux, which is surprising because it looks kind of like it's a little less than a third the amount of light. It turns out that the human eye is a logarithmic detector. (That's why the first 60 watt bulb you turn on in a room adds a lot of light, and the second 60 watt bulb you turn on only makes it a little brighter, instead of TWICE as bright.) Our eyes evolved this way to cope with the extremes of energy in our environment, and to pass on relevant survival information about the organism's habitat, however it also edits down information before it ever gets to our brains, (and so it goes for most of the rest of our senses) so we think that what we see is what we get. It's hard to ever get past that, and I think a lot of people never do.
Jason
2016-08-21 23:02:21 UTC
Booze
anonymous
2016-08-21 01:34:56 UTC
Repeat
Teresaaa
2016-08-22 19:36:34 UTC
Laziness.
Amazing Grace
2016-08-22 06:44:00 UTC
I suspect the real problem is that we have not taught our young children to focus and remain committed to long range goals. They are pretty good at instant stuff but they fall down on the long haul.
anonymous
2016-08-19 10:58:15 UTC
Because those subjects still have the same standards. They haven't been dumbed down like things like "media studies" and "nail technology".
anonymous
2016-08-21 11:09:18 UTC
1. Nature. science is about Nature. how nature works.



gravity. gravity holds universe together.





electric /magnetic forces: cell phone /computer /electric homes/electric factory /electric age.



electric /magnetic forces depend on the 4 forces nature.



gravity



electric /magnetic forces



strong force.



weak forces



all technology depends on the Nature forces of Nature .



gravity



electric /magnetic forces



strong force



weak forces



this is the basics /foundation of all sciences. this is what people have to learn to know how nature.





HOW NATURE WORKS



WHAT LAWS GOVERN NATURE.



this is about about science: HOW NATURE WORKS. ?
anonymous
2016-08-19 10:37:35 UTC
Study hard
?
2016-08-21 10:31:03 UTC
It's hard
NONAME
2016-08-19 08:56:04 UTC
students simply are not committed enough. lots of study and lab work needed and math. many students simply cant do this. the us has to import these professionals
anonymous
2016-08-19 09:04:18 UTC
Because it's hard
?
2016-08-20 20:05:03 UTC
Religion is probably the most likely cause, then followed by drug use.
Who
2016-08-27 09:01:44 UTC
there are a lot of not-so-clever students in college who think they are cleverer than they actually are.
yolanda
2016-08-19 09:03:41 UTC
science is tough
stephen
2016-08-22 01:30:10 UTC
More difficult so need more attention.
?
2016-08-20 03:16:54 UTC
Huh?
?
2016-08-22 05:37:09 UTC
Kk have fun.
juli
2016-08-20 06:10:50 UTC
Booze n pot
Biff
2016-08-19 09:27:40 UTC
not enough studying
Pookyâ„¢
2016-08-21 12:16:34 UTC
Is this your homework?



The answer is, "It is difficult."
anonymous
2016-08-19 08:59:53 UTC
SOME KIDS ARE UNPREPARED FOR IT..


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